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Post by JoelKizz on Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:04 am

Below is the transcript on President Obama's announcement regarding immigration.

Some of my initial questions are in bold type. I would love to hear some other opinions.
Also, for the sake of not muddying the water lets not examine President George W. Bush's similar skirt of the Congressional process through the Executive Order as well as other techniques. Furthermore, the growing trend for the Executive "power grab" is well documented. I specifically want to examine here if the President has the authority to do this or not irrespective of what other Presidents have done.


THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release June 15, 2012

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON IMMIGRATION

Rose Garden

2:09 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everybody. This morning, Secretary Napolitano announced new actions my administration will take to mend our nation’s immigration policy, to make it more fair, more efficient, and more just — specifically for certain young people sometimes called “Dreamers.”

These are young people who study in our schools, they play in our neighborhoods, they’re friends with our kids, they pledge allegiance to our flag. They are Americans in their heart, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents — sometimes even as infants — and often have no idea that they’re undocumented until they apply for a job or a driver’s license, or a college scholarship.
I think the president is fairly right on here although the word "most" should probably be inserted.

Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine you’ve done everything right your entire life — studied hard, worked hard, maybe even graduated at the top of your class — only to suddenly face the threat of deportation to a country that you know nothing about, with a language that you may not even speak.

That’s what gave rise to the DREAM Act. It says that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here for five years, and you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, you can one day earn your citizenship. And I have said time and time and time again to Congress that, send me the DREAM Act, put it on my desk, and I will sign it right away.
I think the Dream Act, as well as out and out full blown amnesty, is just peachy IF IF IF IF IF the Federal government can show us that they
A- Have most of the border situation (Swiss cheese) under control
B- Free states to enforce FEDERAL immigration laws when the Federal Government will not do so (only regarding deportation)
C- Enforce federal immigration laws
As a matter of fact I think citizenship for illegals would be a good idea, again after the border is under control.


Now, both parties wrote this legislation. And a year and a half ago, Democrats passed the DREAM Act in the House, but Republicans walked away from it. It got 55 votes in the Senate, but Republicans blocked it. The bill hasn’t really changed. The need hasn’t changed. It’s still the right thing to do. The only thing that has changed, apparently, was the politics.
Yes its called mid-term elections

As I said in my speech on the economy yesterday, it makes no sense to expel talented young people, who, for all intents and purposes, are Americans — they’ve been raised as Americans; understand themselves to be part of this country — to expel these young people who want to staff our labs, or start new businesses, or defend our country simply because of the actions of their parents — or because of the inaction of politicians.

In the absence of any immigration action from Congress to fix our broken immigration system, what we’ve tried to do is focus our immigration enforcement resources in the right places. So we prioritized border security, putting more boots on the southern border than at any time in our history — today, there are fewer illegal crossings than at any time in the past 40 years. We focused and used discretion about whom to prosecute, focusing on criminals who endanger our communities rather than students who are earning their education. And today, deportation of criminals is up 80 percent. We’ve improved on that discretion carefully and thoughtfully. Well, today, we’re improving it again.
The fewer crossings assuredly has something to do with the fact that our economy is not running at "peak performance" but nonetheless, Bravo to the administration for a job well done. We still have a long way to go.

Effective immediately, the Department of Homeland Security is taking steps to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people. Over the next few months, eligible individuals who do not present a risk to national security or public safety will be able to request temporary relief from deportation proceedings and apply for work authorization.
Under whose authority? This is not just the executive declaring that he will not enforce law (a sign according to John Locke of a collapsing government.... but I digress) as they will claim. This is actually going to develop a whole new bureaucracy (shovel ready jobs) to manage this program. If there is paper work, work authorizations, and the like then that will cost $$$. Who has authorized the use of tax $ for this purpose?

Now, let’s be clear — this is not amnesty, this is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship. It’s not a permanent fix. This is a temporary stopgap measure that lets us focus our resources wisely while giving a degree of relief and hope to talented, driven, patriotic young people. It is –

Q (Inaudible.)

THE PRESIDENT: — the right thing to do.

Q — foreigners over American workers.

THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me, sir. It’s not time for questions, sir.

Q No, you have to take questions.

THE PRESIDENT: Not while I’m speaking.

Precisely because this is temporary, Congress needs to act. There is still time for Congress to pass the DREAM Act this year, because these kids deserve to plan their lives in more than two-year increments. And we still need to pass comprehensive immigration reform that addresses our 21st century economic and security needs — reform that gives our farmers and ranchers certainty about the workers that they’ll have. Reform that gives our science and technology sectors certainty that the young people who come here to earn their PhDs won’t be forced to leave and start new businesses in other countries. Reform that continues to improve our border security, and lives up to our heritage as a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants.
This is the most laughable part of the announcement. The President has just in effect told the country, "I dont care if you pass this law or not I am going to pass it myself in all but name only," and then right on the statements heels he chides Congress by telling them they need to get busy passing legislation to "match" the policies he has already put in place.

Just six years ago, the unlikely trio of John McCain, Ted Kennedy and President Bush came together to champion this kind of reform. And I was proud to join 23 Republicans in voting for it. So there’s no reason that we can’t come together and get this done.
Its already done Mr. President. You have done it. (unilaterally, with no checks, no balances, and with out Congressional authority)

And as long as I’m President, I will not give up on this issue, not only because it’s the right thing to do for our economy — and CEOs agree with me — not just because it’s the right thing to do for our security, but because it’s the right thing to do, period. And I believe that, eventually, enough Republicans in Congress will come around to that view as well.
But if they dont........ no biggie!

And I believe that it’s the right thing to do because I’ve been with groups of young people who work so hard and speak with so much heart about what’s best in America, even though I knew some of them must have lived under the fear of deportation. I know some have come forward, at great risks to themselves and their futures, in hopes it would spur the rest of us to live up to our own most cherished values. And I’ve seen the stories of Americans in schools and churches and communities across the country who stood up for them and rallied behind them, and pushed us to give them a better path and freedom from fear –because we are a better nation than one that expels innocent young kids.

And the answer to your question, sir — and the next time I’d prefer you let me finish my statements before you ask that question — is this is the right thing to do for the American people –

Q (Inaudible.)

THE PRESIDENT: I didn’t ask for an argument. I’m answering your question.

Q I’d like to –

THE PRESIDENT: It is the right thing to do —

Q (Inaudible.)

THE PRESIDENT: — for the American people. And here’s why –

Q — unemployment –

THE PRESIDENT: Here’s the reason: because these young people are going to make extraordinary contributions, and are already making contributions to our society.

I’ve got a young person who is serving in our military, protecting us and our freedom. The notion that in some ways we would treat them as expendable makes no sense. If there is a young person here who has grown up here and wants to contribute to this society, wants to maybe start a business that will create jobs for other folks who are looking for work, that’s the right thing to do. Giving certainty to our farmers and our ranchers; making sure that in addition to border security, we’re creating a comprehensive framework for legal immigration — these are all the right things to do.

We have always drawn strength from being a nation of immigrants, as well as a nation of laws, and that’s going to continue. And my hope is that Congress recognizes that and gets behind this effort.
OK WOWOWOWOW I amend my earlier comment as this is the first time I have read the statement in its entirety. This is clearly the most ridiculous comment of the day, "....as well as a nation of laws, and that’s going to continue." Frankly, that statement is a little insulting.

All right. Thank you very much.

Q What about American workers who are unemployed while you import foreigners?

END 2:17 P.M. EDT

Id like to close my comments with a clip of a professor of Constitutional law explaining why the President doesn't have the authority to do this:



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Re: REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON IMMIGRATION

Post by Spinks on Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:48 am

Silly Joel, you know that royalty has no bounds. The king can do whatever he wants regardless of what the Constitution says. Checks and balances are only a fairytale. Just look at the the budget, plenty of checks but no balances. With the stroke of a pen our sovereignty as a nation has been eroded. These illegal child immigrants don't necessarily abandon the ways of their country of origin. Have you ever been to a restaurant that specializes in foreign cuisine and ordered buy the number on the menu? That's because they haven't bothered to learn the language of the land. My sister, who is a kindergarten teacher, yearly has at least one student that doesn't speak english. The poor kid struggles until he/she picks up enough english from the rest of the class to understand what's going on. This is often how the child's parents begin to comprehend the language. The President's actions are not only illegal, but his comments are very misleading.

A little off topic, Joel, I was looking for buzzards circling to the west of my house. You've been MIA for a while and I was beginning to get worried Wink Welcome back!

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Post by drainey on Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:52 am

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I'm not a big fan of....

Post by ericlawmd on Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:32 pm

...executive orders, but in light of the congressional inactivity on the hill recently, this is SOMEWHAT excuseable.

I understand your aggrivation with the constitutionality of this action Joel. I do, however, think that most of this action is constitutionally sound and defensible as the president and CEO prioritizing the enforcement of laws on the books.

I'm not familiar with the "work authorization" process or whether this is a process that would usually be accessible by illegal immigrants, so I can't speak to that.

All-in-all, this is an issue I have a hard time getting too worked-up about, although I can certainly understand youf concerns.

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As usual...

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Re: REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON IMMIGRATION

Post by JoelKizz on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:53 pm

I haven't watched this yet but I would like to point out that it is a low blow to appeal to my favorite political theorist to make your point, low blow indeed. Watching now... Then ill point out a Rachel Maddow quote that supports my point of view. Wink

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Re: REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON IMMIGRATION

Post by drainey on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:30 pm

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Re: REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT ON IMMIGRATION

Post by JoelKizz on Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:42 am

drainey wrote:
JoelKizz wrote:Below is the transcript on President Obama's announcement regarding immigration.

Some of my initial questions are in bold type. I would love to hear some other opinions.
Also, for the sake of not muddying the water lets not examine President George W. Bush's similar skirt of the Congressional process through the Executive Order as well as other techniques. Furthermore, the growing trend for the Executive "power grab" is well documented. I specifically want to examine here if the President has the authority to do this or not irrespective of what other Presidents have done.

If previous Presidents have done this, then it sets the precedent. Congress and the Supreme Court both are there to check the Executive Branch. And Congress is gridlocked. I'm just surprised he waited this long to act on this. Though it is good timing if he wants reelection.

Granted on the issue of precedent. This is why I gave full liability to Bush on his part for moving governmental power to the executive branch. Especially horrific is the use of "executive order" to create proxy law. The precedent goes way back... prob to Lincoln and maybe even ironically back to Jefferson. However, in the past the shift of power has been one that has ebbed and flowed. Lincoln flexed his executive muscles greatly but then after his death with the "rule" of the Radical Republicans the Congressional body held the lions share of power. The judicial branch was top dog during the latter half of the 19th century as it took the role of regulator of all things business during the "Gilded Age." Soooooooo we are really getting to the point where one of the other two branches (preferably Congress since it was designed to be the most powerful branch of government) needs to check the executive power grab before we have an executive that is King in all but name. I know people will scoff at that idea and call it an over reaction but I will point out that this was precisely the chief, numero uno, A-1A, concern for the framers when they created the office of the Executive.
Also, yes, thanks for at least tipping your hat to the idea that this "mandate" may be politically motivated towards re-election. I mean seriously, Congress gridlocked or not, you would think such an important issue would've been pressed on greatly by White House when the democrats controlled both houses of Congress. Why not the executive order immediately following the blockage of the Dream Act?
1- Not enough re-election fodder in that because the election was 2 years away
2- The E.O. would have been an obvious attempt to subvert Congressional authority to make law
The saddest part of the whole deal is that two years is all it takes to lull the American people into forgetfulness.

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Post by JoelKizz on Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:10 am

This video (unintentionally) highlights my concern. Its the middle part that is most troublesome. Its not Obama's action as an isolated incident that bothers me... its the trend of the past 30 years towards more and more executive power. I grant no amnesty to the Republicans who have held the office as they have been equally offensive towards the constitution (and the War Powers Act) as any Democrats have. Im an equal opportunity hater. I certainly align with the Republican "platform" more closely than that of the Democrats but that makes the Republican's actions all the more offensive. As the party that champions the Constitution as the final authority they do a piss poor job of treating it as such.

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Post by JoelKizz on Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:10 pm

drainey wrote:Well he called for the operation that killed Osama Bin Laden one year too early to take election year advantage of it. Now he gets almost no political capital from that, except Romney can't talk about his foreign policy. This action was just as politically motivated as the Fast/Furious issue is with Republicans. I won't tip my hat to it possibly being motivated by the election, if flat out is. Disappointing yes, but I think it is a smart move to counter Filibustering Republicans, as you can't filibuster this.
Plus on top of this you have the recent healthcare ruling which steps back Congressional power under the Commerce clause.

Well here comes conspiracy theory Joel: the Osama bin Laden strike(if he wasn't already dead) had to take place for some other reason that we don't know yet.
While the restricting of the commerce clause is good thing its actually the executive branch that is a runaway rail car.

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